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Obsquur Quadruple

Started by Viv, June 13, 2022, 12:43:48 PM

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Viv

OBSQUUR QUADRUPLE  t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u

Quadruple from Ruimtegist, with an ABV of 9.0%. New brew for me.

Pours a cloudy dark burgundy with a smallish head. No lacing.

It's medium to full bodied, and nicely carbonated with a clinging mouthfeel, as well as fairly complex, with a good depth of flavour, rounded and balanced. It's slightly sharp, crisp, and hoppy, with some light fruits, but there's also plenty of rich malts, coffee, caramel, chocolate and toffee, along with a few herbals too. Smooth, creamy and luxurious in taste and texture it's very easy drinking. Long dry bitter finish. Lovely brew!

Cheers!


Viv

John B

Sounds wonderful Viv. Never heard of that brewery before.

Cheers! - John

Viv

Hi John,

It's hard keeping up with the number of breweries, brewfirms,
etc now, as there are just so many new ones popping up all over
Belgium.....

I've recently discovered a few that already have a portfolio of
nearly 10 brews, which is amazing really as the norm over the last
ten years or so has been for simply 1 brew to be produced and
marketed and then on the back of that one one or a few new brews
are then released on the back of the original success. Presumably
they would have been working on these brews whilst promoting the
first one.

I do wonder just how many new Blonde Ales can be of interest as
there are just so many already available!!

Of course, there's also the discovery of old recipes, and also
brews coming back into production that were previously
discontinued.

I wonder what percentage of the working population in Belgium
are employed in the beer industry?

Cheers!


Viv



 

Trappist

Quote from: Viv on June 15, 2022, 09:05:48 AMIt's hard keeping up with the number of breweries, brewfirms,
etc now, as there are just so many new ones popping up all over
Belgium.....
Hi Viv,
That's indeed a titan job to update all that information.
It is the job of the BBB to do this on a regular basis, and I'm so fortunate that I have alot of help from Tony Dauwens, who keeps track of all the update information, together with Belgian beer consumers organisation Zythos.
It's impossible to do this by yourself though.
Cheers,
Filip
"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson

Viv

Hi Filip,

Belgium is only a small country, although densely populated,
and no doubt most of the beer produced is exported.

I think a few hundred years ago there could well have been 
over 2,000 breweries in operation! The vast majority had low
alcohol ales which were distributed locally on the whole, with
very little exported, let alone sold in other parts of the
country.

It's great to see the numbers growing, but as you say it is
hard work keeping up to date with what's happening!

There are definitely far more top brews available now than
when I started to focus my beer tastings primarily on
Belgian beers in 2009. Many new brews have been introduced
since then!

But still we can enjoy and refer to the "classics" that
have been around for many many years, such as Duvel,
Rochefort 10, Chimay Grand Reserve, Triple Karmeliet,
Westmalle Triple, Westvleteren Abbott 12, St.Bernardus
Abbott 12, Orval, Gulden Draak, Gouden Carolus, Affligem
Triple to but name a few...
 
Cheers!


Viv

 

Trappist

Yes Viv,
I also think that the evolution here in Belgium is still going very strong.
Compared to let's say the 80's and 90's, things have evolved massively.
Beers at 12vol% were quite some rarity then. Bush ambrée and for example Chateau de Ramegnies-Chin to name a couple.
https://untappd.com/b/chateau-de-ramegnies-chin-biere-du-chateau-de-ramegnies-chin/1467444/photos
Much more variety too these days. Including the IPA, Imperial stout clones from abroad..
Old styles like Oud bruin or Oude Gueuze didn't disappear, which is a good thing too.
The one beer style that disappoints are the spéciale belge beers like Palm, Vieux-Temps, Ginder-Ale, etc...
VERY popular 30 yeras ago, but today nearly unexistant. Palm breweries have turned their efforts on Cornet !! And I must confess that I prefer the Cornet way above the regular Palm myself. A good decision.
One thing that concerns me is the evolution of our economy. It's not really going that good these days. High inflation, costs of life, and that war against Russia certainly doesn't any good to the Belgian beer scene, not forgetting the mysery we had with the Covid disease.
Hoping for the better Viv  :animated-eat-and-drink-image-  :bierr_gif:
Cheers  :culsec:
Filip

"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson

Viv

Hi Filip,

I had to research the Chateau brew you mention as I had never heard
of it but I had knowledge of the now defunct Facon brewery that
produced it.

Many many stronger beers are now commonly available indeed, and like
you I don't like the Special Belges much. They are similar in a way
to an English bitter ale. Low in alcohol, and not much in the way of
flavour or complexity, although they're more session ales I suppose.
Certainly not brews to sip and savour.

I still think that the breweries should concentrate their focus on
( traditional ) Belgian styles rather than simply jumping on the
ipa and stout bandwagons. There's more than enough of them being
produced worldwide already!!!   

Things are certainly going to be very tough for a long while
yet....!

That's why you need to focus on ( positive ) things that you can
have an impact on or at least have some control... like hobbies
and interests! eg Belgian beer!

I have finally managed to get through my date-sensitive stock
so will be tasting beers fresh from now on thank goodness, and
still have 70 beers that are totally new for me...! ( Tastings
to come naturally... ) And I have got below a total of 200
bottles in stock for the first time in quite a few years. I much
prefer having no more than 50 bottles in stock.

So, plenty to look forward to!

Cheers!


Viv


 
   

Trappist

Quote from: Viv on June 17, 2022, 10:35:03 AMThat's why you need to focus on ( positive ) things that you can
have an impact on or at least have some control... like hobbies
and interests! eg Belgian beer!
Viv,
That's some very wise thinking!!!
Focusing on positiveness   ......  and "Belgian Beer" certainly plays a big role in that  t_u
The idea of having a maximum of 50 beers in stock is just PERFECT  t_u
Beers really need to be savored fresh, or at least with a 6 months to 1 year of settling.
There are beers that evolve and become much more complex, yet smooth and more complete and rounded. Westvleteren 12 is a perfect example.
But with my experience, I frequently experience that beers that reach there best before date become somewhat cardboardy, i.e. that freshness disappeared, and that really is a true shame. Ofcourse there are exceptions to that rule, and in this case perfect conservation conditions were achieved like cellar ageing, darkness, colder temperatures, etc...
Cheers,
Filip
"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson

Trappist

#8
Quote from: Viv on June 16, 2022, 11:09:32 AMBut still we can enjoy and refer to the "classics" that
have been around for many many years, such as Duvel,
Rochefort 10, Chimay Grand Reserve, Triple Karmeliet,
Westmalle Triple, Westvleteren Abbott 12, St.Bernardus
Abbott 12, Orval, Gulden Draak, Gouden Carolus, Affligem
Triple to but name a few...
Viv,
It's essential that we can refer to our classics!
It's nice to see that you add Triple Karmeliet already amongst the classics.

"Tripel Karmeliet is a labour of love. Of patience. Of passion.
For over 7 generations we have worked tirelessly, continuously perfecting our craft to create this singular award winning beer.
Brewed using a 3-grain recipe rediscovered from the 1679 Carmelite monastery, Tripel Karmeliet blends nature's gifts of barley, oats and wheat to produce a multi-layered tripel, refined yet balanced, with soft fruity notes and a surprisingly delicate taste."

Actually, this beer was first introduced in 1996 ! That's "only" 26 years ago, and already has become a true Belgian classic  t_u
Going to Brugs Beertje here in Bruges, you can still see the original Triple Karmeliet commercial hanging in the second room.
It's hanging there since 1996, as I can clearly remember when it was first introduced at 't BB'tje that year.





Yesterday, I had the beer you sampled in this message thread.
and I can only concur your findings.
It is a marvelous t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u beer !
I also tasted a slight citric hoppy flavor, also in the nose.
Everything you described was my sensation too.
 :appauding-1:  :appauding-1:  :appauding-1:  :appauding-1:  :appauding-1:  :appauding-1:
BTW:  Although my beer came at 10 vol%. You mention 9 vol%, but was that really so?

Cheers  :culsec:
Filip
"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson

Viv

Hi Filip,

My 750ml bottle ( which is hand numbered as 187/200 )
states 9.0% ABV.

I think that the 330ml bottles are 10.0%, but something
is clearly a bit strange with 2 different ABVs.. may
be different batches?

Cheers!


Viv

Trappist

Quote from: Viv on June 20, 2022, 11:57:52 AMHi Filip,

My 750ml bottle ( which is hand numbered as 187/200 )
states 9.0% ABV.

I think that the 330ml bottles are 10.0%, but something
is clearly a bit strange with 2 different ABVs.. may
be different batches?

Cheers!


Viv

Quite obscure, isn't it :)
But I really think they are different batches, and even thinking they are different recipes too, as you didn't had the citric hop flavors.
No worries, they both got  t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u  t_u
Cheers,
Filip

"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson

Viv

Hi Filip,

I contacted Arn at Ruimtegist and the reply was as follows:



"Both bottles are exactly the same recipe. The only difference is that the big bottles were brewed on a small batch scale in our microbrewery and are handnumbered bottles. The 33cl-bottles are brewed in a big set-up hence the small difference in taste because every installation has its own taste.

9 ABV is actually wrong, both bottles have 10 ABV but in the beginning we thought it would be less expensive to pay the taxes on alcohols ;)."


That sorts that out!!


Cheers!


Viv
 

Trappist

Hi Viv,
Thanks for sorting that out!
Very nice from the brewery to give you such an accurate explaination. VERY nice  t_u  t_u
Cheers,
Filip
"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit, and promotes health."
–- Thomas Jefferson