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« on: August 19, 2012, 11:56:42 AM »

Hi,
Please, can someone confirm if next pictures are real or not?


Stille Nacht Reserva 2008 Huh? 75cl. bottled!!


Oerbier Special Reserva 2008 - 75cl bottled Huh?

I will ask brewmaster Kris ....

Anyway, I never heard or read about the existence Stille Nacht Reserva 2008.
Also, the age 2008 on the right bottom normally means the bottling date ??

Cheers,
Filip
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 05:16:49 PM »

Hi Filip,

      Fake.....they look like the regular 330ml labels stuck onto bigger bottles (Oerbier label has 330ml on it) and the Stille Nacht looks like the regular release with the word "RESERVA" stamped over the top (not at all like the unique labels reserva normally has) also like you say there was no 2008 release (2005 being the last) and yes 2008 is the bottling date.










Speaking of SN Reserva how is the latest batch coming along

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 08:44:32 AM »

Hi Jay,
Just back from De Dolle Brouwers, which we visited yesterday afternoon.
Ofcourse I asked kris about that Stille Nacht Reserva 2008 75cl bottle.
At first, he completely ignored the existence of an official 2008 release.
But when I told him that a stamp was used for marking it a RESERVA, he confirmed that he indeed has that possesion of such a RESERVA stamp, which raised a lamp to him.
What happened is that this bottle is a pilot probation experiment.
Kris has bottled a small quantity of those pilot experimental bottlings, just for testing purposes only.
Somehow, some of those bottles have escaped the Dolle's lab, and being circulated in the US, which ofcourse was never the intention of the brewery.
So, it is clear that that bottle we see here is not really fake, but is not an official commercial product.
I didn't ask about the 75cl Oerbier Reserva 2008, but believe me, we're dealing with the same concept here, i.e. not commercially available.
Still, quite interesting to have found this treasures as pictures on the internet.
In fact, this was published at Beeradvocate BeNeLux forum, where I question marked things. Also need to reply there asap to clear things.

Anyway, what a hot weather here in Belgium.
Going to De Dolle is going for thirst-quenching satisfaction.
Arabier and Oerbioer are most suitable.
Here some pix I took from the freshly poured Oerbier, which - believe me - was like an angel pi**ing on my tongue.
Such a refreshing lactic sour fruity sensation. Amazing stuff !!!







Cheers,
Filip
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 08:46:32 AM »

Oh yes Jay,
The third release of the SN Reserva will be ready at the end of this year.
The correct name is Stille Nacht Reserva 2010 (NOT 2009 like I previously (wrongly) published over here)
Cheers,
Filip
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 10:21:24 AM »

I had already seen this SN Reserva bottle but not sure if it was a true commercial product so thank you Filip!
OTOH the 75cl Oerbier Reserva really exists, it was a special order for the Moeder Lambic In Bxl. I shared one with Jean 2 years ago And it was amazing...! I'm not sure they still have it...cheers

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 11:34:02 AM »

OTOH the 75cl Oerbier Reserva really exists, it was a special order for the Moeder Lambic In Bxl. I shared one with Jean 2 years ago And it was amazing...! I'm not sure they still have it...cheers

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Hello Franck,
Thanks alot for clearing that out !!  thumb up
Cheers,
Filip
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 09:09:58 PM »

Well you learn something new every day, thanks Filip and Franck for getting to the bottom of the mystery    thumb up

Now a few questions regarding Stille Nacht Reserva -

To those who have been lucky enough to sample this illusive brew just how much better is it than the regular SN?  and be honest.

How is the beer released, is it just available at the brewery or widely in bottle shops?

Roughly how long are bottles available for before they are all snapped up?

In other words WILL I SEE IT IN BRUGES COME FEBRUARY      fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed


Cheers, Jay   adfundum2
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 08:53:08 AM »

Well you learn something new every day, thanks Filip and Franck for getting to the bottom of the mystery    thumb up

Now a few questions regarding Stille Nacht Reserva -

To those who have been lucky enough to sample this illusive brew just how much better is it than the regular SN?  and be honest.

How is the beer released, is it just available at the brewery or widely in bottle shops?

Roughly how long are bottles available for before they are all snapped up?

In other words WILL I SEE IT IN BRUGES COME FEBRUARY      fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed


Cheers, Jay   adfundum2


Jay,
Good questions !
First, a small correction:



As said, this was only an experiment.
But I wrongly observed the bottle, and thought the label was bigger than the normal 33cl ones.
In fact, when carefully looking at the shot, you will be convinced that this is in fact a normal 33cl label. The pictures - because of it's frog perspective shot - gives the illusion to give it that bigger label impression.
Kris e-mailed me that he just used a package of normal labels that was a left over, and stamped them with the word RESERVA to avoid any confusion.
Also, when looking at the picture, you will see a quite flat head. Not really the perfection. No wonder, it's a probation, and that "foam-less" outcome isn't what Belgians are asking for.

To answer your questions Jay.
The SN reserva has just that extra woody flavours and wild yeast Brett profile. It will always be that more flat, but it still needs a creamy head. very important this is.
Believe me, it's really a "Pain in the Ass" like Americans would call it, to bottle referment a 13 vol% beer !!!! (Quoting Kris here  Cheesy)
I sure wouldn't call it a better beer. Call it "different". The reserva has lost it's freshness and alot of hop flavours have disappeared.

I think the release will be for the fast people, knowing how limited this brew is.
But I'm sure the more specialized beer shops will offer them. Also, the specialized beer pubs.
I'm not sure if individuals can order directly from the source....
As this is a sought after product, the selling will not last for a long time. Hurrying is the message here.

And I'm even not 100% sure if the beer actually will be released later this year. Normally it will be, but with the Dolle you actually never know.
Anyway fingers  fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed for an acceptable availability here in Bruges.
I'm sure Regnier will stock a big portion at De Biertempel - http://www.biertempel.be/

Cheers,
Filip

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 09:14:07 AM »

Also, the age 2008 on the right bottom normally means the bottling date ??

Cheers,
Filip

Hi,
It's good that I did put some question marks  Tongue
When you see an age on a commercial De Dolle Brouwers bottle, this always means the BREWING date ! Similar to the wine industry.
So, the next Stille Nacht reserva will be called Stille Nacht reserva 2010 - indeed brewed in 2010.
Cheers,
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 08:48:05 PM »

To answer your questions Jay.
The SN reserva has just that extra woody flavours and wild yeast Brett profile. It will always be that more flat, but it still needs a creamy head. very important this is.
Believe me, it's really a "Pain in the Ass" like Americans would call it, to bottle referment a 13 vol% beer !!!! (Quoting Kris here  Cheesy)
I sure wouldn't call it a better beer. Call it "different". The reserva has lost it's freshness and alot of hop flavours have disappeared.

I think the release will be for the fast people, knowing how limited this brew is.
But I'm sure the more specialized beer shops will offer them. Also, the specialized beer pubs.
I'm not sure if individuals can order directly from the source....
As this is a sought after product, the selling will not last for a long time. Hurrying is the message here.

And I'm even not 100% sure if the beer actually will be released later this year. Normally it will be, but with the Dolle you actually never know.
Anyway fingers  fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed fingers-crossed for an acceptable availability here in Bruges.
I'm sure Regnier will stock a big portion at De Biertempel - http://www.biertempel.be/

Cheers,
Filip[/color]


Hi Filip,

         Many thanks for answering my questions, you've confirmed my high expectations for this desirable beer - a beer that will feature highly on many a De Dolle fans shopping list.

         I suppose it's just a waiting game and then you take your chances on picking up a bottle (or two) but a big beer like this will create lots of gossip on its release - to me (and you I dare say) this is bigger than the Westy 12 gift packs.

Cheers mate,
Jay   thumb up 
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2012, 08:21:19 AM »

I had already seen this SN Reserva bottle but not sure if it was a true commercial product so thank you Filip!
OTOH the 75cl Oerbier Reserva really exists, it was a special order for the Moeder Lambic In Bxl. I shared one with Jean 2 years ago And it was amazing...! I'm not sure they still have it...cheers

Franck

Strangely I don't remember seeing this on the menu. But it is the second confirmation that I've seen (been following this on that other site).

I'll try one out in about a month. Looking forward to it.

   
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